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littlebluedog
littlebluedog
Tim
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 08:58 am
"this is an obama nation" doesn't quite sound right


I think my favorite thing about this gif is Michelle Obama's expression.

Maybe the only thing that's dampened my spirits this morning is the uncomfortable amount of schadenfreude I've already seen online, both on LJ and elsewhere, since the results were announced, and more of it is probably inevitable. But celebrating one's own victory never has to include reveling in another's defeat.

I'm certainly not knocking how much this election meant to a lot of people. It should have; it was fairly epic. And the disappointment one side in a two-sided race will inevitably feel is going to be expressed many different ways, some gracious, but some hurtful, and some hateful, particularly when so much rides on the outcome. But it gains nothing to find joy in that disappointment, and very little to criticize the manner in which it's expressed, especially in the heat of the moment. One of Obama's central messages throughout his campaign was one of bipartisanship and unity in solving the crises that face us. Not divisiveness.

Easy for me to say, of course, since "my guy won." But let's get down to business and get some shit done, all together now.

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socktree
socktree
If I had my way, wars would be fought with robots
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 05:25 pm (UTC)

Exactly, we can't take sides anymore. We need to work for a common goal - to help each other.


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kathyrhino
kathyrhino
kathyrhino
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)

*Applauds!* Very well said. People tend to overlook the fact that 55 million people aren't happy with the outcome as this was not a landslide. Yes, "my guy won" too, but that is almost beside the point. After such a dwelling on negativity, it is going to be very hard to heal the battle wounds and come together for real progress.


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solteronita
see the moon? it hates us.
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 05:38 pm (UTC)

One of Obama's central messages throughout his campaign was one of bipartisanship and unity in solving the crises that face us. Not divisiveness.

I, too, am already tired of the "in your face, suckers!" form of celebrating, as it goes completely against mine and Obama's hopes for the future of the country. It is easy for us to say because our votes spoke loudest this time, but I was discussing this with someone last night, and if it had gone the other way I'd obviously have been disappointed, but I can't picture myself going off on the other side about them being stupid, etc. just because I didn't get my way. A vote is a vote. I think I would have just been apathetic as usual.

I'm happy to say, though, that I actually haven't seen much of the divisiveness except on a certain LJ community, of course. :)

Edited at 2008-11-05 05:42 pm (UTC)


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cornycornguy
cornycornguy
Cornycornguy
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 06:26 pm (UTC)

But it gains nothing to find joy in that disappointment, and very little to criticize the manner in which it's expressed, especially in the heat of the moment.

I'm pretty sure I disagree here.

The way someone loses says more to me about their character than how they win. Look at Gore, who was classy as hell in defeat.

To call yourself a patriot and wrap yourself in the flag and then boo the incoming president's name is hypocritical to say the least. I don't think calling their bullshit "gains nothing" as long as your are equally quick to recognize their successes or the truth in their observations when appropriate. That's keeping open a dialog.

Letting people off the hook for their actions because they got wrapped up "in the heat of the moment" is also a complete repudiation of the core conservative principle of self-responsibility. If you are true conservatives, "Cowboy up" you little bitches and applaud the incoming commander-in-chief, don't boo him.

I don't think you were on my FL either 4 or 8 years ago, but I should make clear that I was saying similar things to sore loser Democrats last time too. I was as disappointed as they were, but we clearly were defeated; bellyaching about "moving to Canada" won't change that. Time to commend the victors, dust ourselves off, and prepare for the next round.


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cornycornguy
cornycornguy
Cornycornguy
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 06:30 pm (UTC)

I should add that this doesn't mean letting sore winners off the hook. No reason to be a dick to a Republican or humiliate them today. Give them a couple of days to grieve, then let's figure out how we can work together to clean up this mess.


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littlebluedog
littlebluedog
Tim
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 06:41 pm (UTC)

As for a negative reaction to losing, I make a distinction between initial reactionary shock and dismay, and ongoing, vitriolic criticism. I'll forgive the former.


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cornycornguy
cornycornguy
Cornycornguy
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 06:58 pm (UTC)

Sure, there is a legitimate distinction to be made there. But there should have been zero shock last night: even Fox News' polls showed McCain quite a ways behind on election eve.

I'd add a third category: the cathartic release. Catharsis is good, but save it for an hour later when you and your candidate are in the bar and off camera, not when the nation is watching you.


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solteronita
see the moon? it hates us.
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 07:11 pm (UTC)

To call yourself a patriot and wrap yourself in the flag and then boo the incoming president's name is hypocritical to say the least. I don't think calling their bullshit "gains nothing" as long as your are equally quick to recognize their successes or the truth in their observations when appropriate. That's keeping open a dialog.

I think this is very well said.


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littlebluedog
littlebluedog
Tim
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 07:16 pm (UTC)

It is, and I agree with it, and I should point out that I didn't say calling someone's BS gains nothing.


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varro
varro
Aaron, Lawyer Pepper
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 10:28 pm (UTC)

McCain was gracious in defeat, as was Karl Rove (!!!).

This is more than I can say about some people in the crowd and on the Internet.


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cornycornguy
cornycornguy
Cornycornguy
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008 11:00 pm (UTC)

Yes, they both were.

I thought this post on the National Review epitomize graciousness in defeat:


There are about 1,460 days until the next Presidential election, and I assume that I will spend approximately the next 1,459 of them opposing Barack Obama. But I’m spending today proud abut what my country has overcome.


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plaidomatic
plaidomatic
Plaid
Thursday, November 6th, 2008 06:07 am (UTC)

Is it really schadenfreude if you don't believe the "misfortune" of others is really unfortunate? Not that I wish actual bad things upon anyone, but that I think that the outcome is beneficial for all. Their misery is self-created, self-borne, and misplaced.


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